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F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09 (Updated 8-22-09) New Photo

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F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09 (Updated 8-22-09) New Photo

Post by Fetus » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:20 pm

As you are going to see, most of my desert trips usually have some type of military or signficant destination. Whether it be the border of a base, an abandoned airstrip, or the site of a lost plane and pilot. I held off on writing a report on my visit until the accident board convened.

I heard about the crash of the US Air Force's top fighter the F-22 on March 25, 2009. Unfortunately, the Lockheed Martin test pilot retired USAF Lt Col David "Cools" Cooley was killed while ejecting supersonic just seconds before impact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_P._Cooley

I started going over maps and reading reports from the news websites. They put the accident 35 miles NE of Edwards AFB. Another news outlet reported that the site was 6 miles N of Harper Dry Lake. Drawing two lines on a map, where those two lines intersected, I had a rough idea where it was at.

I apologize in advance for not having more photos. I didn't dare take any photos of the USAF Security Forces when I encountered them. I didn't want them to know I was taking photos. I didn't have any high tech cameras either.


Below is a Google Earth Map that gives you an overview of what is to transpire. South is at the top of the photo, so you get a better view of my observation point.

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I gathered together all my optics, my ham radios and my GPS units. I also brought my laptop with mapping software and paper maps. I headed out towards Fremont Peak and Cuddeback Dry Lake, hoping to get some high ground to get a good overview. I didn't see any military activity at Cuddeback Dry Lake and saw plenty of ATVs and off road vehicles on a typical Sunday Afternoon.

First Encounter
I then started to head east along the southside of Fremont Peak. As I pulled into a road intersection, I saw orange cones to my left and to my right. I figured I was in an area I wasn't supposed to be in. I then noticed a White Ford Explorer with red and blue lights racing towards me. I backed up and stopped. It was a USAF Security Police truck with two guys in it. The driver told me to kill my engine by moving his hand across his neck. I complied.

He told me, "I don't know if you this, sir. But we had a plane crash here last week and this area is closed."

I said, "No, I'm sorry. I'll go back the way I came."

He said, "No problem." He then extended his arm in all directions and said, "This whole valley is closed due to a possible health hazard. If you see anyone else tell them the same thing." I noted that he wasn't wearing any protective clothing.

I said, "Ok." And I turned around and started heading back. In the distance I could see two ATVs with USAF security forces on them.

I figured that I had found the north part of the secured area and plotted their location on my map. I had already been north of this position and didn't see anything. I knew I had to find high ground north of here.

I then began the long trek around Fremont Peak. I tried taking a short cut and found myself boxed in a tight canyon that had a dead end. Luckily I was able to find a spot to turn around and get out.

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After making my way across the north side of Fremont Peak, I started to look for high ground on my maps. I found a trail that took me to a good vantage point. Once I got there, I put myself on the military crest, so that I didn't profile myself against the clear sky while on top of the hill.

I could then see the silver Quonset type buildings that are part of a law enforcement training range. I had read of some cops rushing to the downed pilot upon his ejection. So I knew the site was close to these huts.

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To the SW of these huts, I could see military tents and vehicles. I used a map and figured out that it was almost four miles away.

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The photo quality is poor, but you can still make some of it out. I was using my digital point and shoot on macro mode through a 20x spotting scope. Hey, I'm a Marine... we improvise. You can make out two porta potties (men and womens?) a Military GP tent and various GOV SUVs. I also saw several people in white suits walking near that area.

I went into observation mode. I located the Security Police truck I encountered earlier. I also found another one.

The wind was really kicking and it was hard to hear anything. I was thinking that they had to have a UAV overhead for this. Their top fighter crashed and I doubt the GOV wanted anyone close to it. Those thoughts were confirmed via another internet trip report where some people were camping at Fremont Peak and noticed a high slow flying plane overhead at night. They were then visited by USAF Security Forces in a truck with a FLIR unit onboard. The Security Force guy confirmed a UAV was overhead.

I then phoned my boss who went to the USAF Academy and was interested in my trip. I talked to him for about 20 minutes about what I was seeing. Then a thought suddenly came to mind...I then began to wonder if they had signal interception going as well due to the Patriot Act and all. I ended my phone call and took the battery out.

Second Encounter

About two minutes later, I saw two ATVs headed in my direction. I thought they were recreational ATVrs at first and got turned away by the Security Forces guys. As they got closer, I took a look in my binos and saw that they had stopped and were looking at me in their binos.

I was bought and paid for at that point. I wondered if I should delete the images on my camera? Erase my map markings? Hide my optics?

I wasn't going to try and outrun them and draw even more suspicion. As they got closer, I could see the weapons cases strapped to the rear of their ATVs. They then started driving right up the side of the steep hill I was on.

One ATV went to the rear of my Jeep. The other pulled alongside my driver door.

We had a short conversation and I left. I left out the details of the conversation on purpose.

I then figured my day was over at this point. I didn't want to piss them off anymore. I knew from previous military experience that they couldn't legally detain me on public land due to posse comitatus. I did know that they can phone or radio to Civilian LE to take care of me.

I headed back across Cuddeback Dry Lake and to Twenty Mule Road and east towards California City. I let out a sigh of relief after making it relatively unscathed and with photos in my possession. Just as that happened, here comes a 4wd Police Truck from California City PD coming right towards me. I wave and he waves as he passes by. Whew!

Though I am still awaiting a visit from men in black.
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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by BorregoWrangler » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:00 am

Now that was awesome! Thanks for sharing.
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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by OLLIE » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:13 pm

This is something I want to get into. When I was in the service I had a fellow crew chief that had a hobby of searching for old aircraft crash sites. The harder to reach the better. He came back from his trips with some pretty interesting things.
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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by Fetus » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:52 pm

Searching for crash sites are fun. It gives your offroad trips some kind of purpose, rather than driving around aimlessly.

I like driving around the China Lake/Edwards AFB area as their is a lot of aircraft operating overhead. The supersonic range near Kramer Junction is a hoot! Right now I'm listening to a CAS mission at the Superior Lake range (simulated enemy airfield with F-4 Phantoms) by some F-18s out of NAS Lemoore.

I have a scanner with a roof mounted Yagi pointing at the range about 75 miles away. I sometimes drive out there but the planes are usually really high up. They use practice bombs that just give a puff of smoke. You can get within a mile of their range by offroad vehicle. Just hope they don't drop on your vehicle.

I've been to a couple; a AV-8b Harrier crash site outside China Lake and an X-15 crash site north of Cuddeback Dry Lake.

Here is a website:

http://www.aircraftarchaeology.com/search.htm

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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by Chazz Layne » Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:36 pm

I know what I'm up to for the next several weekends. :mrgreen:
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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by Fetus » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:25 pm

You'll have a lot of fun, Chazz.

Here's another plane I visited at 29 Palms (its on the base). It crashed in Feb 2002 after taking off from 29 Palms Expeditionary Airfield (EAF). The crew survived. I saw it in Nov of 2002 and it still had all the airplane charts and stuff in there. It was in pretty good shape.

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The engines and avionics were stripped out and it has been pretty much vandalized. The Crash Fire guys at the base now use it for training.

The MPs at 29 Palms have had a big problem with tweakers going scrapping for brass on the base. So trespassing there isn't advised. Here's a photo of their Special Reaction Team in 2008 clearing the plane after a report of trespassers. You can see how tore up it looks now.

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You can see the plane on Google Earth. I'll make it a little challenge for you to find it.

Locate the City of 29 Palms. Look to the North West, you will see an Airfield that looks like a small airport, with taxiways, buildings, etc.

To the SW of that is a small airfield with a dirt runway. Locate that runway, then look northwest about a mile or so. You'll see the C-130 sitting facing SW.

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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by sdnative » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:43 pm

That's pretty cool. Are there any crash site around the Imperial County area?

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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by Fetus » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:23 pm

Nice work, sdnative.

I would imagine so. I haven't been down that way in a few years. I know there are a few Harriers that have gone down in the Chocolate Mountains and an AH-1W Cobra, though I think most of that land is closed off.

This is the book I have: http://www.amazon.com/Aircraft-Mountain ... 0924272082

It apparently is out of print and there is a newer edition but I don't know when its available.

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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by cruiserlarry » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:13 pm

Looks like fun - I'm ready to set u a search mission.... :D
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Re: F-22 Crash Site Scouting 3-29-09

Post by Mc Jeep » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:39 pm

Great hunt, I'm up for that kind of adventure. :D

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