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Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:07 pm
by DaveK
xtatik wrote:
cruiserlarry wrote: Steve, I didn't suggest removing firearms discussion from this thread or this forum. I just thought the discussion would be more towards the use, training, and various types of firearms as they relate to the outdoorsman - which might help educate and enlighten members and lurkers, and be more in line with the theme of OAUSA in general. If you missed it, even I participate regularly on this subject - just seems to have gone off the deep end relative to open carry and ccw, as opposed to an outdoor hobby / hunting discussions.
That's right....but let's refrain from all the safety stuff for a bit. What we need is some Field and Streamy stuff. Yep, what I need is some education and enlightenment as to where all the coveys and guzzlers are. Come on don't be shy.....(BTW, I prefer GPS coord's). I really wish I could share mine with ya' cuz I don't write them down...but I would if I did....honest! I really would!


edit: and Dave....no prob!

I just might know about a few guzzlers, unmapped springs and hidden coveys. Are we talkin' about a trade of secrets?

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:48 pm
by xtatik
DaveK wrote:
xtatik wrote:
cruiserlarry wrote: Steve, I didn't suggest removing firearms discussion from this thread or this forum. I just thought the discussion would be more towards the use, training, and various types of firearms as they relate to the outdoorsman - which might help educate and enlighten members and lurkers, and be more in line with the theme of OAUSA in general. If you missed it, even I participate regularly on this subject - just seems to have gone off the deep end relative to open carry and ccw, as opposed to an outdoor hobby / hunting discussions.
That's right....but let's refrain from all the safety stuff for a bit. What we need is some Field and Streamy stuff. Yep, what I need is some education and enlightenment as to where all the coveys and guzzlers are. Come on don't be shy.....(BTW, I prefer GPS coord's). I really wish I could share mine with ya' cuz I don't write them down...but I would if I did....honest! I really would!


edit: and Dave....no prob!

I just might know about a few guzzlers, unmapped springs and hidden coveys. Are we talkin' about a trade of secrets?
Hell no! :lol:

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:19 pm
by DaveK
DaveK wrote:
I just might know about a few guzzlers, unmapped springs and hidden coveys. Are we talkin' about a trade of secrets?
xtatik wrote:Hell no! :lol:

Quailie birds....Mmmmmmmmm. Sure would like to help you, if I could! Memory problems, you know.

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:13 pm
by rigwelderstaco
xtatik wrote:
ssc wrote: Lastly, Randy if you want quail you can sit in my driveway in Havasu and count them as they run by. :D They are my little buddy's. I will be hanging the quail crossing sign soon. :lol:
Yeah, they're my little buddies too. I just love the little guys. ;)
So do I. Little bit of pepper and garlic, wrap a piece of bacon around em and bbq. Goes well with a nice thick porterhouse, med/rare please. :mrgreen:

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:47 pm
by xtatik
rigwelderstaco wrote:
xtatik wrote:
ssc wrote: Lastly, Randy if you want quail you can sit in my driveway in Havasu and count them as they run by. :D They are my little buddy's. I will be hanging the quail crossing sign soon. :lol:
Yeah, they're my little buddies too. I just love the little guys. ;)
So do I. Little bit of pepper and garlic, wrap a piece of bacon around em and bbq. Goes well with a nice thick porterhouse, med/rare please. :mrgreen:
Yeah, you get it.

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:46 pm
by OLLIE
I've been meaning to ask this...

Does this law apply to out of state people too or only ID carrying Arizonians? :?

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:37 pm
by xtatik
OLLIE wrote:I've been meaning to ask this...

Does this law apply to out of state people too or only ID carrying Arizonians? :?
I think, as of late...you pretty much have to show ID and papers for everything in Arizona. Gun owners are next on their list for "profiling". :o .............. :D j/k.

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:42 pm
by ssc
Applies to all law abiding citizens.

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:59 am
by BorregoWrangler
This law just went into effect! :D Now if only California legislatures had the same mindset, we'd be on the right track!

Now speaking of California...

...there are laws allowing the concealed carry of firearms under certain conditions. First:

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12020.php

California Penal Code 12025. (a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when he or she does any of the following: (1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person. (2) Carries concealed upon his or her person any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person. (3) Causes to be carried concealed within any vehicle in which he or she is an occupant any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

Okay, no concealed carry in public without a permit. However this are exemptions to this.

12027. Section 12025 does not apply to, or affect, any of the following:

(f) Members of any club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets upon established target ranges, whether public or private, while the members are using pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person upon the target ranges, or transporting these firearms unloaded when going to and from the ranges. (g) Licensed hunters or fishermen carrying pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person while engaged in hunting or fishing, or transporting those firearms unloaded when going to or returning from the hunting or fishing expedition.

But remember 12031. (a)(1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in a prohibited area of unincorporated territory.

Whether the gun can be loaded while fishing or hunting is subject the area or circumstances being legal for loaded guns... I know, it can get confusing. Lets see if I can make it easier...

There are two prohibitions.

1) Concealed Carry.

12027(g) gives exemption 1 to CONCEALED carry only. In order to meet this exception you must be ACTUALLY hunting.

This means, if you are actually hunting, it does not matter if its loaded or not ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONCEALED CARRY PROHIBITION. You can still be charged with "loaded firearm" if you are in incorporated territory or a "prohibited place".

12027(g) gives exemption 2 to CONCEALED carry as well only while TRANSPORTING the weapon to or from hunting. This applies even incorporated areas and "prohibited places" but in order to qualify, the firearm must be unloaded, even if you are in an unincorporated area which is not prohibited.

2) Loaded Firearm in incorporated areas or prohibited places.

This is straight forward. No loaded firearms in incorporated areas or in prohibited places. Prohibited places includes all public roadways.

Let me throw some scenarios at you:

In the city, walking down the street with a fishing pole on your way to the aqueduct with a concealed, unloaded firearm. -Legal

In the country, stalking game, loaded firearm, walking across a road. -Illegal- Possessing a loaded weapon in a prohibited area. The fact that you are hunting in unincorporated territory is irrelevant.

In the country, going on a hike on a trail, you don't have a hunting or fishing license- Loaded firearm concealed. -illegal. Concealed carry of a firearm prohibited- No 12027 exemption.

In the country, going on a hike on a trail, you don't even have a hunting or fishing license- Loaded firearm worn openly in a belt holster. -Legal. Loaded carry in unincorporated territory is legal.

Here is the kicker:

In the country, you have a fishing license and you are on your way to fish- Loaded firearm worn concealed. -Illegal. Illegally concealing a firearm. Even though your loaded weapon is legal to possess in unincorporated territory, the fact that you are not yet fishing and are only on your WAY to go fishing requires that you carry that firearm unloaded in order to meet the 12027(g) exemption. You would be charged with carrying a concealed firearm.

I thought some here would appreciate this information since to applies to outdoor adventure and recreation.

Re: Arizona Enacts “Constitutional Carry” For Firearms

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:10 am
by OLLIE
Thanks John... That sums up a lot. :)