OAUSA Net -2/25/2016- Getting Your Concealed Firearm Permit

[DaveK]

UPDATE - SECOND SESSION

This topic, which we started a couple of weeks ago, required more time than we had planed. So, this second session should wrap things up.
Our special guest will be Mike Ward, KG6WSL.

ORIGINAL NET PREVIEW

The net this week will cover the subject of getting your concealed firearm permit (sometimes referred to as a CCW). Since it needs to be said, I'll take this opportunity to begin the discussion with a very important FACT - carrying a concealed firearm is NOT for everybody. There are many reasons why this is true and hopefully we will cover some of the most important considerations that you will need to understand, before you make your decision.

It won't be the purpose of this net to take you through that actual application process, mostly because it will vary from state to state and you will need to follow the rules of your jurisdiction. In general, we will break the net discussion down into four areas:

• 1. Judicial and legal requirements
  
  2. Your responsibilities as a permit holder.
  
  3. Wise and safe practices of carrying
  
  4. Holsters, clothing and firearms

Our special guest will be Mike Ward, KG6WSL. There is a lot to cover, so bring your experience, comments, and questions to the discussion.

[DaveK]

Being a concealed firearm permit holder carries a lot of responsibilities and risks. Sad as it is to say, we live in a society that is lawsuit happy, and, as a permit holder, you may face risks that can be potentially serious. As if that were not enough, there are also jurisdictions in these great United States which are run by prosecutors who harbor a not-so-secret dislike of citizens who carry concealed firearms, whether legally or not.

Whether you face a civil action or criminal prosecution for the use of your legally concealed firearm, the results of defending yourself can be financially devastating. Times change and you need to adapt if you expect to survive. Protecting yourself with adequate insurance is a financially wise decision, just as it is with your car or your home. With the increasing popularity of concealed carry permits, insurance companies are recognizing the growing market for coverage.

There is one company that is at the forefront of such coverage - the US Concealed Carry Association. We will be discussing the USCCA in much greater detail on the net, but there are a few areas which are important enough to set out here on the website. The first such area is insurance. For less than $1.00 a day, here is what they offer.

From the USCCA website (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/uscca- ... epage&kmi=) For the different plans, see also: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/uscca- ... ing-bottom

Your USCCA membership is a simple yet comprehensive system designed to protect you, the Responsibly Armed American, from a legal system that is stacked against you.

Civil Suit Defense - You'll receive civil suit defense and damages protection that will help insulate you from and defend against a lawsuit that threatens all you've ever worked for.

Immediate Criminal Defense Attorney Retainer - You'll receive this "no-questions-asked" instant criminal defense attorney retainer to help get your criminal defense immediately underway. No "grant committees" or "request processes" are involved with this powerful benefit.

Interrogation & Grand Jury Protection - Even before charges are filed, you will be questioned by police and may have to face a Grand Jury. We'll provide you with the funds you need to have the absolute best pro-2nd Amendment attorney representation that money can buy to make sure that your rights are protected and your case is properly presented.

Criminal Defense Protection - You'll receive criminal defense protection that will allow you to confidently mount the best criminal defense money can buy when you are charged with a crime.

Immediate Bail Bond Funding - If you're being held in jail, this benefit will provide immediate cash to get you out of jail and back with your family where you can mount an effective defense.

Wage Replacement While You’re In Court - You'll be compensated for every day you must spend in court defending yourself.

Stolen Firearm Protection - You'll be legally and financially protected if your firearm is reported stolen and used in a crime. This benefit was just negotiated by the USCCA on behalf of all its members and will be retroactively applied to all current memberships at no additional cost.

Self-Defense SHIELD Critical Response Team - The highly trained Self-Defense SHIELD Response Team is available 24/7/365. Your personal case manager is fully trained and accredited in advanced crisis intervention and peer support through the International Critical Incident Stress Foundation (ICISF). They'll be with you every step of the way to assist you in harnessing the full power of your USCCA membership including immediate bail bond funding, attorney retainer, crisis support, post-incident psychological support referral, benefit management, and ongoing 24/7 support to help you and your family fully recover from your self-defense incident.

Local Attorney Referral - An attorney from USCCA Law, LLC will connect you with local, legal representation within 24 hours to ensure your case gets the proper attention and your rights as a responsibly armed citizen remain intact.

Advocacy from USCCA Law, LLC - Our legal team will immediately connect you with a USCCA Law attorney in your area. Our growing network includes pro-2nd Amendment attorneys in all 50 states.

Concealed Carry Magazine - You'll join over 120,000 Responsibly Armed Americans who read every issue of Concealed Carry Magazine. Each issue contains over 100 pages of world-class, self-defense and concealed carry articles and will be delivered straight to your door. You'll also have instant access to over 9 years of Concealed Carry Magazine back issues!

Online Training - You'll get the most reliable, up-to-date, gun-related resources from our website, with unlimited, "members only" access to an extensive video library and to hundreds of articles, reviews, and real-life stories.

Self-Defense SHIELD Backed by an American Insurer - The USCCA Self-Defense SHIELD is the only firearms and self-defense liability benefit that is backed and underwritten by an insurance company that is based in the United States of America. I know, I know…that’s kind of hard to believe, but it’s 100% true. Most other companies out there offering “legal protection” are simply groups of lawyers selling pre-paid legal services. There’s no deep pockets backing them up. And the only other company that offers self-defense liability insurance is underwritten by an insurer in London, England! Last time I checked, the British don’t even allow their citizens to own guns! How can they possibly understand this issue enough to insure it?

365-Day 100% Money-Back, Bullet Proof Guarantee - If for any reason you decide that you want a refund, all you have to do is call our customer service department at 877-677-1919 or visit our customer service website, and you’ll receive a prompt and courteous refund. No questions asked. It's as simple as that.

[DaveK]

The debate over the right to bear arms is contentious and (seemingly) never ending. In most states, the right to carry a concealed firearm is conditioned upon the desire for self defense and the absence of a criminal or mental record. In these cases, the process is quick and efficient, but most importantly, free of interference from the political pressures that exist in other jurisdictions, most notably California.

California is not alone, however, as many others rely on the requirement of “good cause” (in addition to a clean record) in order to obtain a permit to carry. While, on the surface and in theory, it may sound reasonable to require a showing of good cause to obtain your permit, but the fallacy of this has become painfully evident when the definition of “good cause is left to the discretion of issuing agencies, many of whom are not in favor of law abiding citizens exercising their second amendment rights.

The result has been a literal smorgasbord of differing interpretations of “good cause”, to the point that some agencies issue virtually no permits while others issue many (to otherwise qualified individuals). With no standard definition of “good cause”, agencies have been free to create their own, which is often consistent with their political views.

The matter finally came to a head in 2009 when Edward Peruta’s application for a concealed firearms permit was denied, despite the fact that he had no criminal or mental record and was not otherwise prohibited from owning firearms. Litigation ensued and the case worked its way to the Federal 9th Circuit Court of Appeal, where it currently resides. The initial decision of the 9th Circuit is fascinating and deserves to be read in its entirety (supplied below). While lengthy, it offers an excellent history of the Second Amendment, and for those looking to be “well armed” when the topic of discussion turns to guns, this is a great resource.

This initial decision, by the 9th Circuit, has been appealed on technical grounds, and is still pending before this Court. A decision is due soon. Also note that a final decision by this court will be controlling in the states of California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Arizona, Montana, Alaska, Idaho, Hawaii and the Pacific Islands of Guam and the Marianas. Here is the full decision:

[DaveK]

OBTAINING MULTI-STATE PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALED

Obtaining a permit to carry a concealed firearm (in those states which require one) is not always as difficult as it is in states like California. Many states have a simplified and quick procedure that allows the law abiding citizen to carry. I need to emphasize that the procedures in use by these states are not a sham or a shortcut, as they require a thorough background check, complete with fingerprints, photo ID, training and competence requirements.

Most of these states have reciprocal agreements in place, which means that they will recognize and accept permits from other states and treat them as if they were granted there. This can be very helpful for those who travel from state to state and wish to carry their firearm legally.

Just as a quick caution, if you plan on taking advantage of these reciprocal agreements, you MUST check to make sure that the agreements are, in fact, still in place and that you will enjoy all the privileges that you expect. Check it out before you travel!!!

As a consequence of these reciprocity agreements, several courses have been developed that will help you to get a couple of licenses that will be recognized in as many as 34 other states (and sometimes more.) One business, for example, which offers such courses, is USA Carry, in San Diego, California (see: http://www.ccwusa.com.) By obtaining permits in the States of Florida, Arizona and Utah, through USA Carry, even if you are not a resident of those states, you can be legally allowed to carry concealed in 34, or more states. USA Carry provides a list of states which, through reciprocity, will honor your licenses in Arizona, Utah and Florida. They are:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming

This is how the 50 states stack up as to how they treat applications for concealed carry permits (source: USA Carry.com)

Shall Issue to Residents Only:

Alaska, Guam, Louisiana, Michigan, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, South Dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming

Shall Issue to Residents and Non-Residents:

Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington

May Issue to Residents Only:

California, Delaware, New York City, Virgin Islands

May Issue to Residents and Non-Residents:

Connecticut, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York

There are a great many legal considerations that we couldn't possibly cover in this post and it will be your responsibility to check to determine if you are able to travel legally with the permits you obtain. There is much at stake here, and the wise gun owner who travels will make sure.

[DaveK]

Check out these You Tube Videos and Face Book page on the issue of carrying a concealed firearm:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yI1_XfZbQs

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYnLIveY1zI

3. https://www.facebook.com/UlsterSheriff/ ... 6586482374

[DaveK]

The United States Concealed Carry Association (USCCA, https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ ) offers a wealth of information to help keep you safe, legal and protected. Their magazine, published 8 times a year, contains helpful information on firearms, product reviews, self protection tips and legal updates on whats going on here in the US (https://www.concealedcarrymagazine.com/ ... MonthPromo ) Remember, buying and owning a gun Is simply not enough!!!!!

USCCA Magazines

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[lrsrngr]

A concealed internet radio check-in for KK6CTT please.

Thanks in advance for the check-in and the information!

[lrsrngr]

Round two internet check-in for KK6CTT please.

Thank you,

Rick

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DHS site with lots of downloadable literature: https://www.dhs.gov/active-shooter-preparedness

A quick reference on what to do in an active shooter event. Really quick and could be helpful to look at quickly to refresh.

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FBI Active Shooter Study 2000-2013.pdf

If you want statistics and information for training.

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Look into getting training like TCCC (Tactical Combat Casualty Care) or TECC (Tactical Emergency Casualty Care) training.
http://www.naemt.org/education/TCCC/tccc.aspx
http://www.c-tecc.org/

[KK6DYO]

Please check me in for tonight. Thanks.

[NotAMog]

Dave,

Please check in KD6GCO and KN6VL. I think I may have doubled with someone on echolink when I responded.

Thanks,