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OAUSA Net - 09/22/16 – Edged Implements

Post by toms » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:28 am

It has been almost 2 years since we discussed the issue of edged implements, their selection, care and sharpening.
This week’s net is all about tools that have sharp edges. In this category are Knifes, Axes, Saws, Multi tools, and maybe shovels. It is doubtful we will have time to cover all areas. A feature they all have in common and perhaps of interest to everyone is how to sharpen an edge.

The topics we hope to cover are: sharpening; folding knives and fixed blade knifes; edged tools impact on survival; favorite edged tools; multi-tools;
Some related subjects if we have time:
  • edged tools (weapons) and the law
  • bush craft
Web sites - Some useful web sites
o http://www.equipped.org/devices4.htm (Doug Ritter on Knives)
o http://www.agrussell.com/Knife_Encyclopedia/a/74/
o http://www.equipped.org/sources.htm (Companies that make knives)
o http://sharpeningmadeeasy.com/knives1c.htm
o http://sharpeningmadeeasy.com/Juranitch1977Feb.htm
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Re: OAUSA Net - 09/22/16 – Edged Implements

Post by toms » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:40 am

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Re: OAUSA Net - 09/22/16 – Edged Implements

Post by lrsrngr » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:57 am

Oh yeah, this is going to be a fun one! Count KK6CTT in. More to follow as I edit this post!

Project USMC Bolo:
01. Left and right side view of the project bolo (besides the USGI machete...one of my favorite behemoth large format knives/tools).
01. Left and right side view of the project bolo (besides the USGI machete...one of my favorite behemoth large format knives/tools).
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02.  Clean up and figure out where to go next.  Maybe fix the chips left by someone's rough batoning and add some jimping while I'm at it.
02. Clean up and figure out where to go next. Maybe fix the chips left by someone's rough batoning and add some jimping while I'm at it.
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03.  Maybe some new panels made out of some nicely burled maple?
03. Maybe some new panels made out of some nicely burled maple?
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04.  Oversized stocks are starting to take form and need a lot of shaping.
04. Oversized stocks are starting to take form and need a lot of shaping.
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05.  Starting to look like something.  Don't rush, you have all the time in the world to bring them down to the right dimensions.  Relax, you're in your element...
05. Starting to look like something. Don't rush, you have all the time in the world to bring them down to the right dimensions. Relax, you're in your element...
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06.  Impregnating the panels using wood hardener using a HF brake bleeding vacuum pump.
06. Impregnating the panels using wood hardener using a HF brake bleeding vacuum pump.
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07.  Still looking for some better Chicago screws but the aluminum will do for now.  Figured wood looking good with a little furniture "scratch remover" for color.
07. Still looking for some better Chicago screws but the aluminum will do for now. Figured wood looking good with a little furniture "scratch remover" for color.
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08.  Still a work in progress but not afraid to use it as a tool.
08. Still a work in progress but not afraid to use it as a tool.
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http://olive-drab.com/od_edged_weapons_ ... c_hosp.php
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Re: OAUSA Net - 09/22/16 – Edged Implements

Post by lrsrngr » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:37 am

Homework before the net: Come prepared to talk about your favorite knife/edged tool and be able to describe the features that make it shine! I will start with my EDC below.
A.  Victorinox Tinker Model about $35
A. Victorinox Tinker Model about $35
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B.  My EDC is more a system than a single purpose instrument.
B. My EDC is more a system than a single purpose instrument.
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"Tinker" Swiss Army knife made by Victorinox ($35)

I have carried my current knife for about 8 years and carried another knife, same model, previous to this knife for 6-8 years. With 20 or more years of Victorinox knife carry I am confident I can speak to the characteristics of this knife as an EDC. There are six blades that afford the following features (in order of precedence):

1. Two cutting blades. The small blade I use as my daily cutting tool so that even if it gets a little dull I still have the large blade ready to go that I keep hair shaving sharp (all the time). I touch them both up every few weeks and they are easy to hone back into shape. Pulling regular maintenance on the blade, honing the bevel of the blade helps to make fewer full-on sharpening session. That is the beauty of maintaining your blades rather than wearing them down to a round edge not fit for duty as even a letter opener.
2. I like and use both the Philips and slot head screw drivers of this knife on a weekly basis. There are two sizes of slot tips and the one Philips #2 bit. One slot head bit is at the end of the bottle opener and the other at the end of the can opener.
3. I use the can opener every time we go camping to include the bottle opener only less frequent. The quality of the metal and tools are great and I can buy or pick up any other Victorinox knife and expect the same quality be it old or newer stock and that says a lot about the company.
4. The toothpick gets used weekly once-twice per week and the tweezers once every other week or so. The safety pin is always ready to help me get splinters and cactus spines out in conjunction with the tweezers so it is a system.
5. The NiteIze "Doohickey" tool provides me a quick access bottle opener and an additional slot head bit with additional prying capabilities. It also has, and only tested once, the ability to be used as a wrench with 1/4, 5/16, and 3/8" nuts. Also, but not used, a 2 inch ruler. For a few dollars, this tool has saved me from using my knife for prying things and it adds weight to the lanyard that hangs outside my pocket providing quick access to the knife by pulling it out of my pocket by the lanyard rather than having to reach into my pocket to draw the knife.
6. The only feature I have considered when thinking about my next knife might be the Hiker that has the saw blade in addition to the blades I know have but I do like the thinner profile of the current knife, not bulky in the pocket. Otherwise this knife has plenty of more years left on it and will be replaced should this one get lost or given away. I have given knives that I carry away as a gesture of friendship or to help a young adult with his first edged tool giving me an excuse to refresh the tool I have.
7. The awl I do not use much but it does come in handy every few months.

Bottom line, a good knife can be had for just a few dollars more than a cheaply built import knife. It will give years of service if used in accordance with its intended purpose; avoid abusing your tool. In this instance, stainless steel is the best material for my application but there are qualities that you get with high carbon steel that you simply cannot duplicate with stainless and vice versa. Another important fact is longevity and history of the knife company going so far as to say even considering regions where the good steel and finished products rise to the level of an art form (Damascus steel, Solingen, Germany knives, Japanese metallurgy as seen used in their swords. It pays to go with a reputable manufacture and even still you have to be careful of changes the company has made to remain profitable. Some companies skimp on quality to stay competitive while others make their knives the way they always have and their prices reflect that. Some companies make a consumer line that meets the needs of most and have a more expensive line that addresses the die hard aficionado. You have to be cognizant of materials used, design features and intended purpose of the tool. Research twice, buy once. There are, however, instances where an inexpensive knife will do a job well without braking the bank and the best example that comes to mind is the Mora knife line.
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C.  The ever popular and probably the most inexpensive fixed blade out there with features that really make it an honorable mention!
C. The ever popular and probably the most inexpensive fixed blade out there with features that really make it an honorable mention!
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Re: OAUSA Net - 09/22/16 – Edged Implements

Post by lrsrngr » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:03 am

Some points that make explaining knives a little easier from the following websites:

Buck: http://www.buckknives.com/about-knives/ ... ght-knife/

BUCK KNIFE SAFETY TIPS:
o Always handle your knife with care!
o Cut away from your body, not toward it.
o If you drop your knife, let it fall. Don’t attempt to catch it.
o Never run with a knife.
o Don’t throw a knife to anyone. Hand it to them, handle first.
o Never point a knife at anyone.
o Do not use a locking blade if the lock will not lock open. Make sure the lock is working before using it.
o Keep your knife folded or sheathed when carrying or storing.
o Use a sharpening stone, not a power grinder to sharpen your knife. A power grinder can make the edge brittle and will void the warranty.
o Use the right tool for the job.
o Don’t use a knife for prying. It can cause the tip to break, possibly causing injury.
o Use in a well-lit area, so you can see what you’re doing.
o Do not use a knife on “live” electrical items like appliances.
o Keep your knife clean, particularly the locking mechanism.
o Keep your knife oiled and sharp. A sharp knife is safer than a dull one.
o Don’t try fixing a Buck knife yourself. It is dangerous and voids the warranty.
o If you get cut, seek first-aid immediately.

Knife Depot Series:
o Knife Knowledge Center (lots of information): https://www.knife-depot.com/learn/
o Pocket Knife Buying Guide: https://www.knife-depot.com/learn/pocke ... _materials
o 20 Iconic Knives Every Knife Enthusiast Should Own: https://www.knife-depot.com/learn/iconic-knives/
o Best Pocket Knife Guide: https://www.knife-depot.com/learn/best-pocket-knife/
o How To Choose The Best Survival Knife: https://www.knife-depot.com/learn/best-survival-knife/
o How to Choose the Best Hunting Knife: https://www.knife-depot.com/learn/best-survival-knife/
o How to Buy and Use Knife Sharpeners: https://www.knife-depot.com/knife-information-58.html

There is a lot of information out there and the fact that I am not well versed in any of it plays a significant role in the way I chose my knives:
1. I inherited prejudices through influence of knife carrying family members. Later in life the likes and dislikes of others began to influence me (military personnel).
2. I have a basic knowledge of most applications of edged tools and I understand that the design, material and craftsmanship have a lot to do with breaking down the barriers instilled in me over time.
3. And, I know enough to understand that you must properly identify the task and purpose of the tool and understand that there is no stand-alone edged device that will do all tasks well but there are several that do a lot of tasks very well and surprisingly for a decent price point.

A little walk down memory lane:
This was my goal as a Boy Scout to be able to carry or use an edged tool you had to have a Totin' Chip Card similar to this.  If you got your corners cut you had to retrain and retest to get another.
This was my goal as a Boy Scout to be able to carry or use an edged tool you had to have a Totin' Chip Card similar to this. If you got your corners cut you had to retrain and retest to get another.
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Youth: Proper training as in programs like the BSA's Totin' Chip Card. If you were guilty of doing something outside the rules you got a corner cut off. If you got all four corners cut you would not be able to use/carry a knife/axe/saw. Most circumstances were met with retraining and retesting phase that could get a new card and renew your ability to carry/use edged devices again.
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Two very graphic terms used while doing this research:

"Blood Circle" The radius around the individual using an edged tool, at arms length + length of tool/blade, that is considered "working space." No one should be within "the blood circle" for safety.
- The "axe yard" is determined by grasping the sheathed axe head and at arms length, plus the length of the axe handle, determining the safe zone for the operation of the axe. This is in keeping with the concept of clearing the "blood circle" but also determining the safe area not only to the left, right, front and rear but also including any of the overhead obstacles that may be present.

"Triangle of Death" The area formed between the thighs and knees when seated where many people make the mistake of using edge tools. The inside of the legs presents the femoral arteries of both legs within this triangle which if severed could cause serious to life threatening injury.
- Consider the natural reaction of any person who might lose their grip on an edged tool. Usually they close their legs and try to stop the item from falling! How will that workout in the triangle of death?
1.  Folders; lockers specifically.
1. Folders; lockers specifically.
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2.  Fixed blades knives.
2. Fixed blades knives.
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3.  Large fixed blade knives.
3. Large fixed blade knives.
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4.  Puma, then and now.
4. Puma, then and now.
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5.  Machete and heavy blades.
5. Machete and heavy blades.
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6.  Hatches and tomahawks have had a resurgence.
6. Hatches and tomahawks have had a resurgence.
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8.  Thickness = weight.  How much bulk/weight are you willing to carry around?
8. Thickness = weight. How much bulk/weight are you willing to carry around?
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Re: OAUSA Net - 09/22/16 – Edged Implements

Post by lrsrngr » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:37 pm

We must not forget tools like scissors, shovels, picks, axes and of course multi-tools:
9.  As you can see I am a fan of the Leatherman products and have been for decades although there is one outsider from Gerber represented.
9. As you can see I am a fan of the Leatherman products and have been for decades although there is one outsider from Gerber represented.
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Re: OAUSA Net - 09/22/16 – Edged Implements

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Re: OAUSA Net - 09/22/16 – Edged Implements

Post by lrsrngr » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:56 pm

A quick reference concerning knife blade alloys:
Quick reference sheet.
Quick reference sheet.
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Ratings of alloys.
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