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Wikipedia description of the Desert Training Center:
“The Desert Training Center (DTC), also known as California-Arizona Maneuver Area (CAMA), was a World War II training facility established in the Mojave Desert and Sonoran Desert, largely in Southern California and Western Arizona in 1942.
Its mission was to train United States Army and Army Air Corps units and personnel to live and fight in the desert, to test and develop suitable equipment, and to develop tactical doctrines, techniques and training methods.
It was a key training facility for units engaged in combat during the 1942–1943 North African campaign. It stretched from the outskirts of Pomona, California eastward to within 50 miles of Phoenix, Arizona, southward to the suburbs of Yuma, Arizona and northward into the southern tip of Nevada.”
The majority of the following information below came from this book by Matt Bischoff. Here is a link to to where you can purchase it on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Preparing-Combat ... 921&sr=8-1
DTC Formation 1942:
The DTC was the largest training facility or its kind in the history of the military and covered more than 18,000 square miles. The logistics, strategies, and doctrines developed and refined at the facilities were applied overseas and help win World War 2. The more than 1 million men trained at the center represented more than 10 percent of those serving in World War 2.pg. 1
By the end of January 1942 the Germans seemed almost unstoppable. General McNair, as Army’s Chief of Staff developed a plan to combat the Germans in North Africa. McNair realized the US Army had never fought a large-scale war on the type of terrain found in North Africa. pg. 21
General Patton, was selected to choose a location and although largely ignorant of the California Desert, Patton had experience in the deserts of Mexico in World War 1. pg. 22
General Patton in a speech at a staff meeting stated: “we cannot train troops to fight in the desert of North Africa by training in the swamps of Georgia.” pg. 21
After surveying the DTC by plane, Patton stated “The training area is the best I have ever seen. It is desolate and remote…large enough for any kind of training exercise” pg. 24
According to McNair the initial purpose of the DTC was: "to learn the technique of living and moving in the desert and the tactics of desert fighting, particularly when opposed by armored formations, and in the face of inevitable air attack" and mimic the war in North Africa. pg 35
Patton's stated true desire for DTC was: "Formation and material are of very secondary importance compared to discipline, the ability to shoot rapidly and accurately with the proper weapon at the proper target and the irresistible desire to close with the enemy with the purpose of killing and destroying him”. pg. 35
At it's height the DTC had 14 camps 10 in California and 4 in Arizona. Camps were setup for a full division consisting of 15,000 soldiers or more. The camps were 3 miles in length and 1 mile wide.
Patton and the other DTC leaders wanted the training and exercises to be as realistic as possible; At the start of the DTC under Patton, each man was limited to 1 canteen full per day. It was thought at the time that this toughen up the soldiers. It was also thought at the time, that the human body could get use to the deprivation of water. This thinking cause many health problems and the approximate death of 1000 soldiers due to dehydration. Patton believe that one gallon per man (for drinking, bathing, shaving, washing, and brushing teeth) was sufficient even when the temperatures were over 130 degrees. pg. 97
Patton also wanted a similar experience to front line troops and he wrote “I shall just issue canned rations and water, and let nature take it’s course, taking careful notes as to the different methods used by individuals. In this way we may get some American ingenuity connected with desert cookery. pg. 39
Patton even outlined vehicle desert movement with the following vehicle orders:
1). Except when in park, no vehicle must ever be permitted to approach within 75 yards of any other vehicle.
2). Only cargo vehicles have tops up; all other tops are down.
3). Stress the maintenance of distance, not to exceed 75 yards, particularly in road marches, but also in group movements.
4). Jamming of vehicles must be prevented. The senior officer locally present is responsible that jams do not occur. He must dismount from his vehicle to insure this by active command.
5). Demonstrate to individual drivers on sand table or on the ground, using blocks, the formations and methods of movement. Make the formation of march groups, either from bivouac or from parks, a precision drill.
6). Any desert with a yellowish tinge is apt to be sandy and should be carefully reconnoitered before attempting to cross. This type of desert frequently occurs on the west slope of north and south ridges.
7). For desert operations, tires on wheeled vehicles can safely be deflated to 70 percent of specified inflation. When stalled they may be defeated to 50 percent , but should be rei-nflated to 70 percent after the stall is over. For movement of more that 10 miles on roads, normal inflation must be resumed.
8). In sand, avoid abrupt turns, either with full track or half track vehicles.
9). When stalled, see that the front wheels are straight ahead before attempting to get out . Dig sand in front of wheels in direction of movement. Some brush placed crossways under wheels helps. Don't burn up your engine.
10). In all movements across country, vehicles should be in dispersed formation. Constant practice is the only way of learning. After men have become accustomed to moving across country in task forces, roads may be used to some extent to avoid waste of rubber.
What was life like at the DTC
Almost all of the soldiers trained at the DTC had already gone through basic training, and generally some other level of more advanced or specialized training. pg. 15
Soldiers were taught hand-to-hand combat, live-fire exercises, and night exercises. Each unit was required to conduct a 24-hour exercise with no sleep, and little food and water once during the unit’s training. Pg. 88
To get an idea of what it was like for the soldiers, on arrival at Camp Ibis one soldier wrote, “California - a hell hole if there ever was one” Camp Ibes (sick) was about 15 miles away from the bustling town of Needles, which consisted of two beer joints and a Santa Fe Railroad switchyard. Pg. 89
Sargent Joe Delgado describe a battle action:
“First came the airplanes and strafed hell out of it. Then the artillery shells began to cover the ground, next came tanks rumbling into the pass blasting away and finally streams of troops. There was so much dust and smoke up there you wouldn’t think anything could be alive for miles. But when we stopped, and the smoke began to clear, someone shouted, ‘Hey look up there, what’s that moving?’ And just like nothing at all had been going on, this old dusty prospector and his burro, looking like something from last century, came walking through all that smoke and dust and debris paying no attention at all to all of us or all the live ammunition we’d blasted that pass with.”
During one training exercise, a platoon became separated from their food and water supplies while in the Arizona desert near Pilot Knob. The CO, with a private, set off to obtain supplies for the unit. During their absence, one of the the men died from exposure. Seeing the dire straights the unit was in, two more men left in search of supplies. These men got lost in their attempt. The lieutenant (CO) and private returned and brought the unit back to camp. A search for the other two men by the entire company ensued that succeeded in locating the men, but the had already died. pg. 60
So how did the DTC effect the outcome of the WW II.
In total 23 of the 85 Army Divisions that served in WW II were trained at the DTC. Divisional Camps included railroad sidings, airfields, hospitals, depots, training sites, maneuver areas, ranges, and others. pg. 5
The DTC provided unparalleled experiences for top commanders. Commanding large numbers of troops over a wide area was a difficult task, and only a facility as large as the the DTC could provide this kind of training. Almost all of the commanding officers went on to lead either armies or corps in the European Theater. Many of these generals maintained that the experience at the DTC was the best they received. Soldiers were taught how to survive the elements, which ofter were their worst enemies in combat. pg. 69
Army Air Force
Along with training troops at the DTC, the Army Air Force also went through an incredible expansion. At the beginning of the war the Army Air Corps was a “second-tier air service,” By the end of the war it have become the “premier air power of the world”. pg.71
There were several airfields at the DTC: Rice Army Air Field, Shaver Summit AAF, Desert Center AAF, Thermal AAF and Blyth Army Air Base.
Patton and his Corps were ordered to depart in late summer 1942, only a few months after their arrival and were sent to North Africa.
Wikipedia description of the Desert Training Center:
“The Desert Training Center (DTC), also known as California-Arizona Maneuver Area (CAMA), was a World War II training facility established in the Mojave Desert and Sonoran Desert, largely in Southern California and Western Arizona in 1942.
Its mission was to train United States Army and Army Air Corps units and personnel to live and fight in the desert, to test and develop suitable equipment, and to develop tactical doctrines, techniques and training methods.
It was a key training facility for units engaged in combat during the 1942–1943 North African campaign. It stretched from the outskirts of Pomona, California eastward to within 50 miles of Phoenix, Arizona, southward to the suburbs of Yuma, Arizona and northward into the southern tip of Nevada.”
The majority of the following information below came from this book by Matt Bischoff. Here is a link to to where you can purchase it on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Preparing-Combat ... 921&sr=8-1
DTC Formation 1942:
The DTC was the largest training facility or its kind in the history of the military and covered more than 18,000 square miles. The logistics, strategies, and doctrines developed and refined at the facilities were applied overseas and help win World War 2. The more than 1 million men trained at the center represented more than 10 percent of those serving in World War 2.pg. 1
By the end of January 1942 the Germans seemed almost unstoppable. General McNair, as Army’s Chief of Staff developed a plan to combat the Germans in North Africa. McNair realized the US Army had never fought a large-scale war on the type of terrain found in North Africa. pg. 21
General Patton, was selected to choose a location and although largely ignorant of the California Desert, Patton had experience in the deserts of Mexico in World War 1. pg. 22
General Patton in a speech at a staff meeting stated: “we cannot train troops to fight in the desert of North Africa by training in the swamps of Georgia.” pg. 21
After surveying the DTC by plane, Patton stated “The training area is the best I have ever seen. It is desolate and remote…large enough for any kind of training exercise” pg. 24
According to McNair the initial purpose of the DTC was: "to learn the technique of living and moving in the desert and the tactics of desert fighting, particularly when opposed by armored formations, and in the face of inevitable air attack" and mimic the war in North Africa. pg 35
Patton's stated true desire for DTC was: "Formation and material are of very secondary importance compared to discipline, the ability to shoot rapidly and accurately with the proper weapon at the proper target and the irresistible desire to close with the enemy with the purpose of killing and destroying him”. pg. 35
At it's height the DTC had 14 camps 10 in California and 4 in Arizona. Camps were setup for a full division consisting of 15,000 soldiers or more. The camps were 3 miles in length and 1 mile wide.
Patton and the other DTC leaders wanted the training and exercises to be as realistic as possible; At the start of the DTC under Patton, each man was limited to 1 canteen full per day. It was thought at the time that this toughen up the soldiers. It was also thought at the time, that the human body could get use to the deprivation of water. This thinking cause many health problems and the approximate death of 1000 soldiers due to dehydration. Patton believe that one gallon per man (for drinking, bathing, shaving, washing, and brushing teeth) was sufficient even when the temperatures were over 130 degrees. pg. 97
Patton also wanted a similar experience to front line troops and he wrote “I shall just issue canned rations and water, and let nature take it’s course, taking careful notes as to the different methods used by individuals. In this way we may get some American ingenuity connected with desert cookery. pg. 39
Patton even outlined vehicle desert movement with the following vehicle orders:
1). Except when in park, no vehicle must ever be permitted to approach within 75 yards of any other vehicle.
2). Only cargo vehicles have tops up; all other tops are down.
3). Stress the maintenance of distance, not to exceed 75 yards, particularly in road marches, but also in group movements.
4). Jamming of vehicles must be prevented. The senior officer locally present is responsible that jams do not occur. He must dismount from his vehicle to insure this by active command.
5). Demonstrate to individual drivers on sand table or on the ground, using blocks, the formations and methods of movement. Make the formation of march groups, either from bivouac or from parks, a precision drill.
6). Any desert with a yellowish tinge is apt to be sandy and should be carefully reconnoitered before attempting to cross. This type of desert frequently occurs on the west slope of north and south ridges.
7). For desert operations, tires on wheeled vehicles can safely be deflated to 70 percent of specified inflation. When stalled they may be defeated to 50 percent , but should be rei-nflated to 70 percent after the stall is over. For movement of more that 10 miles on roads, normal inflation must be resumed.
8). In sand, avoid abrupt turns, either with full track or half track vehicles.
9). When stalled, see that the front wheels are straight ahead before attempting to get out . Dig sand in front of wheels in direction of movement. Some brush placed crossways under wheels helps. Don't burn up your engine.
10). In all movements across country, vehicles should be in dispersed formation. Constant practice is the only way of learning. After men have become accustomed to moving across country in task forces, roads may be used to some extent to avoid waste of rubber.
What was life like at the DTC
Almost all of the soldiers trained at the DTC had already gone through basic training, and generally some other level of more advanced or specialized training. pg. 15
Soldiers were taught hand-to-hand combat, live-fire exercises, and night exercises. Each unit was required to conduct a 24-hour exercise with no sleep, and little food and water once during the unit’s training. Pg. 88
To get an idea of what it was like for the soldiers, on arrival at Camp Ibis one soldier wrote, “California - a hell hole if there ever was one” Camp Ibes (sick) was about 15 miles away from the bustling town of Needles, which consisted of two beer joints and a Santa Fe Railroad switchyard. Pg. 89
Sargent Joe Delgado describe a battle action:
“First came the airplanes and strafed hell out of it. Then the artillery shells began to cover the ground, next came tanks rumbling into the pass blasting away and finally streams of troops. There was so much dust and smoke up there you wouldn’t think anything could be alive for miles. But when we stopped, and the smoke began to clear, someone shouted, ‘Hey look up there, what’s that moving?’ And just like nothing at all had been going on, this old dusty prospector and his burro, looking like something from last century, came walking through all that smoke and dust and debris paying no attention at all to all of us or all the live ammunition we’d blasted that pass with.”
During one training exercise, a platoon became separated from their food and water supplies while in the Arizona desert near Pilot Knob. The CO, with a private, set off to obtain supplies for the unit. During their absence, one of the the men died from exposure. Seeing the dire straights the unit was in, two more men left in search of supplies. These men got lost in their attempt. The lieutenant (CO) and private returned and brought the unit back to camp. A search for the other two men by the entire company ensued that succeeded in locating the men, but the had already died. pg. 60
So how did the DTC effect the outcome of the WW II.
In total 23 of the 85 Army Divisions that served in WW II were trained at the DTC. Divisional Camps included railroad sidings, airfields, hospitals, depots, training sites, maneuver areas, ranges, and others. pg. 5
The DTC provided unparalleled experiences for top commanders. Commanding large numbers of troops over a wide area was a difficult task, and only a facility as large as the the DTC could provide this kind of training. Almost all of the commanding officers went on to lead either armies or corps in the European Theater. Many of these generals maintained that the experience at the DTC was the best they received. Soldiers were taught how to survive the elements, which ofter were their worst enemies in combat. pg. 69
Army Air Force
Along with training troops at the DTC, the Army Air Force also went through an incredible expansion. At the beginning of the war the Army Air Corps was a “second-tier air service,” By the end of the war it have become the “premier air power of the world”. pg.71
There were several airfields at the DTC: Rice Army Air Field, Shaver Summit AAF, Desert Center AAF, Thermal AAF and Blyth Army Air Base.
Patton and his Corps were ordered to depart in late summer 1942, only a few months after their arrival and were sent to North Africa.
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What does the DTC look like today.
There is a Patton DTC Museum located at Chiriaco Summit located off the 10 freeway between Palm Springs and Phoenix at 33.66085, -115.72138.
Below are pictures of the DTC taken during a couple off-road trips.
Our first stop on the DTC exploration was Camp Coxcomb.
Each of the camps had a nondenominational Chapel. Here is Camp Coxcomb’s.
Along the trail leading to the Chapel is one of the DTC’s version of a foxhole.
After leaving Coxcomb Camp we crossed highway 177 and entered the Palen Maneuver Area.
Our first stop was an old Stage Coach Way Station.
As always in the desert you find relics like this old car laying around.
After the car we crossed a few washes two which were washed out. The BLM had graded a bypass on one and there was another short way around the other.
There is a Patton DTC Museum located at Chiriaco Summit located off the 10 freeway between Palm Springs and Phoenix at 33.66085, -115.72138.
Below are pictures of the DTC taken during a couple off-road trips.
Our first stop on the DTC exploration was Camp Coxcomb.
Each of the camps had a nondenominational Chapel. Here is Camp Coxcomb’s.
Along the trail leading to the Chapel is one of the DTC’s version of a foxhole.
After leaving Coxcomb Camp we crossed highway 177 and entered the Palen Maneuver Area.
Our first stop was an old Stage Coach Way Station.
As always in the desert you find relics like this old car laying around.
After the car we crossed a few washes two which were washed out. The BLM had graded a bypass on one and there was another short way around the other.
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“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” ―Ronald Reagan
“We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” ―Ronald Reagan
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” ―Ronald Reagan
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In our exploration we found some old mine equipment.
Still scattered along the bases of the hills and mountains are bunkers or pill boxes.
Outside view.
View from inside.
Another style.
After exploring the bunkers it was time to find a campsite. If was obvious that the trail (wash) to our campsite had not been used in a while. There were faint tracks and lots of pin striping from the trees and bushes along the way
Bunker across the wash from our campsite.
Another view.
Next to our campsite we climbed up about a 100 foot hill and on top of the hill we found this bunker/foxhole.
Campsite, notice bunker in background.
From one of the hills by our campsite you can see tank tracks.
Here is a satellite view just North of our campsite. You can see tank tracks on both sides of the picture.
This picture is a satellite view of our campsite.
Still scattered along the bases of the hills and mountains are bunkers or pill boxes.
Outside view.
View from inside.
Another style.
After exploring the bunkers it was time to find a campsite. If was obvious that the trail (wash) to our campsite had not been used in a while. There were faint tracks and lots of pin striping from the trees and bushes along the way
Bunker across the wash from our campsite.
Another view.
Next to our campsite we climbed up about a 100 foot hill and on top of the hill we found this bunker/foxhole.
Campsite, notice bunker in background.
From one of the hills by our campsite you can see tank tracks.
Here is a satellite view just North of our campsite. You can see tank tracks on both sides of the picture.
This picture is a satellite view of our campsite.
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“We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” ―Ronald Reagan
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” ―Ronald Reagan
“We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” ―Ronald Reagan
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” ―Ronald Reagan
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The next day we first stop was the abandon Arlington Mine.
Leaving the mine we headed to the town of Midland. Here is Wikipedia's description of Midland.
"Midland is a ghost town in Riverside County in the southeastern part of the U.S. state of California. It is adjacent to the Little Maria Mountains and located about 20 mi (32 km) northwest of Blythe. It is accessible from Blythe in the south via Lovekin Boulevard and Midland Road, and from Rice in the north via Midland Road.
From 1925 to the 1960s, Midland was a company town owned by the U.S. Gypsum Co. The company had mined vast amounts of gypsum found in the area. Midland was also the site of a large plant that produced wallboard and plasterboard. For some time, there was a three part railroad between the quarry and the crusher, the last part being a 3 ft (914 mm) narrow gauge line running few miles.[1] The town's water was shipped from Blythe by rail.[2] At its peak, the town had a population of approximately 1,000."
Outside Midland is a roadside work of art.
Sign at entrance.
Leaving Midland we traveled to highway 62 via Midland's railroad bed which meant crossing a trestle.
Reaching highway 62 we were greeted with some more roadside art while we aired up.
Our final stop was Camp Iron Mountain
Camp Iron Mountain is surrounded with a fence and in protected. Here is a sign at the entrance.
Screenshot of our track.
And finally some of the Artifacts you can still find around the DTC.
Finale thoughts.
Leaving the mine we headed to the town of Midland. Here is Wikipedia's description of Midland.
"Midland is a ghost town in Riverside County in the southeastern part of the U.S. state of California. It is adjacent to the Little Maria Mountains and located about 20 mi (32 km) northwest of Blythe. It is accessible from Blythe in the south via Lovekin Boulevard and Midland Road, and from Rice in the north via Midland Road.
From 1925 to the 1960s, Midland was a company town owned by the U.S. Gypsum Co. The company had mined vast amounts of gypsum found in the area. Midland was also the site of a large plant that produced wallboard and plasterboard. For some time, there was a three part railroad between the quarry and the crusher, the last part being a 3 ft (914 mm) narrow gauge line running few miles.[1] The town's water was shipped from Blythe by rail.[2] At its peak, the town had a population of approximately 1,000."
Outside Midland is a roadside work of art.
Sign at entrance.
Leaving Midland we traveled to highway 62 via Midland's railroad bed which meant crossing a trestle.
Reaching highway 62 we were greeted with some more roadside art while we aired up.
Our final stop was Camp Iron Mountain
Camp Iron Mountain is surrounded with a fence and in protected. Here is a sign at the entrance.
Screenshot of our track.
And finally some of the Artifacts you can still find around the DTC.
Finale thoughts.
Phil
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“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” ―Ronald Reagan
“We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” ―Ronald Reagan
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” ―Ronald Reagan
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
From the website, "militarymuseum.org", in an article entitled, "Historic California Posts, Camps, Stations and Airfields - California/Arizona Maneuver Area(Desert Training Center.:" This gives a excellent insight into the gigantic scale of the Desert Training center:
1. Video history of the Desert Training Center. This youtube video includes interviews with service personnel who served at the DTC, as well as actual footage of various activities in the desert, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3tip_i ... e=emb_logo
2. Websites with history of the DTC:
CAMP YOUNG http://www.militarymuseum.org/CpYoung.html
AERIAL VIEW OF CAMP iBIS http://skytrail.info/new/home.htm
TANK EXERCISES http://www.incendiarytraces.org/article ... ing-center
From the website, "militarymuseum.org", in an article entitled, "Historic California Posts, Camps, Stations and Airfields - California/Arizona Maneuver Area(Desert Training Center.:" This gives a excellent insight into the gigantic scale of the Desert Training center:
The websites listed below contain exceptional accounts of the DTC along with some fabulous photography.This was the largest Army base in the world covering some 18,000 square miles. It stretched from the outskirts of Pomona, California eastward to within 50 miles of Phoenix, Arizona, southward to the suburbs of Yuma, Arizona and northward into the southern tip of Nevada. It existed primarily to train U.S. forces in desert warfare for the North African campaign.
1. Video history of the Desert Training Center. This youtube video includes interviews with service personnel who served at the DTC, as well as actual footage of various activities in the desert, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3tip_i ... e=emb_logo
2. Websites with history of the DTC:
- Military Museum. Desert Training Center: http://www.militarymuseum.org/CAMA.html
- Sky Trail. Outstanding aerial photo of the remnants of the Center, See: http://skytrail.info/new/home.htm
- Incendiary Traces Incendiary Traces. Outstanding collection of period pictures of the DTC, see: http://www.incendiarytraces.org/article ... ing-center
CAMP YOUNG http://www.militarymuseum.org/CpYoung.html
AERIAL VIEW OF CAMP iBIS http://skytrail.info/new/home.htm
TANK EXERCISES http://www.incendiarytraces.org/article ... ing-center
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“The East Mojave Heritage Trail was created by Dennis Casebier in the 1980s as an alternative to his popular Mojave Road to mitigate the ecological impact from its potential overuse. Four years of effort resulted in four volumes of books, each dedicated to a specific segment of the comprehensive tour of the East Mojave Desert. Those individual segments and corresponding guidebooks are Needles to Ivanpah, Ivanpah to Rocky Ridge, Rocky Ridge to Fenner, and Fenner to Needles. Included are four summary maps, 71 individual detailed maps, and about 1,200 pages of text containing vital route information, history, key personalities, and flora and fauna in each area.
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rendered the guidebooks useless.”
So, Bill Creech spent 18 months recently remapping the EMHT and building supplements to get around the wilderness areas. The trail is now 733 miles (up from 660 miles in the original books).
To understand the route, order the original 4 books (quantities are limited). The new supplement will come with the related book.
Books are offered by:
Https://mdhca.org/books-3/guide-to-the- ... mes-detail
See you on the Trail!
TomS
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Badlands Off-Road
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Badlands Off-Road
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'72 Pinzgauer 710M 2.6i
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'04 Tacoma (soon to be for sale)
'07 Moto Guzzi Norge - Corsa Red - The faster color

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The middle of nowhere is somewhere I'd prefer to be.
"If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them something more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it."- Lyndon B. Johnson, President of the United States
The middle of nowhere is somewhere I'd prefer to be.
"If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them something more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it."- Lyndon B. Johnson, President of the United States
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