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Alternative Hunting Methods

Post by toms » Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:29 pm

Our net tonight is on alternative hunting methods.
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Dog & Gun Coffee

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Re: Alternative Hunting Methods

Post by DaveK » Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:31 pm

BORREGO FEST IS ON!!!!!

For the 15th year in a row, we will be doing our Borrego Fest Event. As the name implies, it will take place in the Anza Borrego Des.ert State Park, or at least a about 100 yards from the park. Details will be available here: viewtopic.php?f=221&t=4459
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Re: Alternative Hunting Methods

Post by lrsrngr » Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:19 pm

Wildlife PSA and Youth Training

Leave wildlife alone and only intervene when absolutely necessary. A moral dilemma for us but one we need to be careful of and understand the ill effects of our "good nature."

Circumstances that really are hard to mitigate once the unnatural helping hand has set in.
Circumstances that really are hard to mitigate once the unnatural helping hand has set in.
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https://www.nps.gov/subjects/watchingwildlife/7ways.htm


You can help keep yourself and other visitors safe and wildlife wild by setting a good example! Remember to treat wildlife with proper caution and respect. The safety of these animals, as well as your safety, depends on everyone using good judgment and following these simple guidelines. Learn even more ways to #RecreateResponsibly.
  • Know before you go. Every park is unique and has specific guidelines, including minimum wildlife viewing distances and food storage requirements. Before you head out on the trail, take a few minutes to review the park’s rules.
  • Give animals room. The best way to stay safe when watching wildlife is to give animals room to move. Many parks require you to stay a minimum distance of 25 yards from most wildlife and 100 yards from predators like bears and wolves. (Check with your park: for example, Olympic National Park requires a minimum distance of 50 yards.) Parks provide a unique opportunity to view animals’ natural behavior in the wild. In general, if animals react to your presence you are too close. If you’re close enough for a selfie, you’re definitely too close. Use binoculars or a zoom lens and move back if wildlife approach you. Let wildlife be wild and observe from a distance.
  • Do not disturb. Even when you’re farther away, leaving wildlife alone can help your viewing experience—plus it’s the law. It’s illegal to feed, touch, tease, frighten, or intentionally disturb wildlife. Remember that wildlife in parks are wild and can be unpredictable when they’re disturbed or surprised. Interacting with wildlife also can cause harm to both people and wildlife, including injury and disease. Stay on trails to help keep human presence in predictable areas. If dogs are allowed, keep them on-leash (most parks have a 6-foot leash policy) pick up fecal matter and ensure they are vaccinated, and do not use bird calls or wildlife calls and attractants.
  • Keep your eyes on the road. Vehicle strikes are one of the most deadly types of encounters for wildlife in parks. Roads cut through their habitats or migration routes. Be sure to always follow the speed limits and watch for wildlife that may dart into the road. When you want to stop to watch wildlife, pull your vehicle completely off of the road into a designated pull-out—this keeps wildlife safe as well as other motorists.
  • Store your food and stash your trash. Feeding wildlife in parks can make them come looking for more. To an animal, anything that smells like food is treated like food. Access to trash, and even crumbs left on picnic tables can attract them. Once they have learned that people are a source of food, wildlife can become aggressive toward people. This puts you at risk of injury and the wildlife at risk of being removed and humanely killed by wildlife managers. Don’t be responsible for the death of wildlife! Keep a clean picnic area or campsite, and store your food and dispose of garbage in the proper containers. Use wildlife-resistant food storage or trash containers where available or required and make sure they’re securely closed.
  • See something, say something. Tell a ranger if you come into physical contact with wildlife. Also, tell a ranger if you see wildlife that are sick, dead, or acting strangely, including wildlife that approach you. And when you see people who aren’t following these guidelines, let them know what they can do to be a smart wildlife watcher, too, and contact a ranger if necessary.
  • Be responsible. Ultimately, staying safe and keeping wildlife wild is up to you! When you go out into a national park, it’s your responsibility to keep yourself, your family, and the wildlife safe.

AB 2571, Bauer-Kahan. Firearms: advertising to minors.
  • Existing law generally regulates manufacturers and dealers of firearms. Under existing law, commercial speech or advertising is generally protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Existing laws and regulations, however, restrict the content and placement of advertising and promotional marketing of alcohol, cannabis, and tobacco to protect minors.
  • This bill would prohibit a firearm industry member, as defined, from advertising or marketing any firearm-related product, as defined, in a manner that is designed, intended, or reasonably appears to be attractive to minors. The bill would also prohibit a firearm industry member from using, disclosing, or compiling a minor’s personal information if it is intended to market or advertise a firearm to that minor, as specified. The bill would impose a civil penalty of up to $25,000 for each violation of these provisions, and would authorize a person harmed by a violation to bring suit to recover any damages suffered, as specified. The bill would make each copy or republication of marketing or advertising prohibited by these provisions a separate violation. The bill would declare that its provisions are severable, as specified.
  • This bill would declare that it is to take effect immediately as an urgency statute.
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Re: Alternative Hunting Methods

Post by lrsrngr » Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:19 pm

History.

The Girardoni repeating air rifle of 1780
The Girardoni repeating air rifle of 1780
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NRA National Firearm Museum Treasure Gun - Girandoni Air Rifle as Used by Lewis and Clark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqFyKh-rUI

The Girardoni Air Rifle by Tom Gaylord (B.B. Pelletier)

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/09 ... e-of-1780/

History
  • In the mid to late 1700s several people were trying to invent a reliable repeating firearm. The military wanted such an arm, as long as it was reliable. The problem was,the gunpowder of the day was what we know today as black powder. Instead of burning like smokeless powder, black powder burns so fast that it explodes when confined inside a tight space. So many early repeating firearms exploded, because there were no cartridges to contain the powder.
  • The son of Bartolomaes Girardoni was killed when an experimental repeating rifle he fired blew up and took off his arm. That, probably more than anything, got Girardoni’s attention turned toward air rifles. And in 1780 his perfected air rifle repeater was selected by the Austrian army for limited use.
Girandoni or Girardoni?
  • The name has been spelled both ways. Dr. Beeman traveled to Europe to meet with members of the family and discovered that the name is spelled GiraRdoni. Apparently a misspelling in print about 50-60 years ago changed the spelling, and thousands of references have been written with the N spelling. Searching for that spelling will find far more data than with the R spelling. But the R spelling is correct.
1,000-1,500 rifles
  • You will find references to the fact that the Austrians bought anywhere from 1,000 to 1,500 Girardoni repeaters for limited use on the battlefield. Riflemen were assigned individually to units and treated as snipers are today. That was more because they had a rifle than the fact that they had a repeater. There is one record of a sergeant being killed with one shot at 110 yards. He was standing next to a general officer who was probably the actual target.
Equipment
  • Each soldier was issued a rifle, two extra filled butt flasks that could quickly be changed in the field and a small hand pump to refill the flasks. Filling them with the small pump was futile — it took forever. So, in the army trains (the logistical area in the rear) there was a wagon-mounted large pump that was operated by two men whose only job was to fill flasks as fast as they could.
  • Dr Beeman has a modern replica that he has shot and tells us there are at least one magazine's worth of shots and probably more from a flask.
Firing the rifle
  • The rifle was either .46 or .47 caliber. It carried 21 round balls (all bullets at the time were round balls) in a tube on the right side of the receiver. When the rifle was elevated for the hammer to be cocked, the tube was also elevated and the balls rolled to the rear. A steel shuttle was pushed in from the left side of the receiver and a hole allowed one ball to drop in from the magazine tube. Releasing the shuttle allowed a long leaf spring to push it back to the left where the ball then aligned with the breech of the barrel. All the shooter had to do was shoulder the rifle and fire. This entire process took less than three seconds. And a trained rifleman could keep up sustained fire until he ran out of bullets. The Girardoni was the assault rifle of the day.
Problems
  • The biggest problem was no doubt air leakage. The butt was probably pressurized to between 600 and 800 psi, and the leather and animal horn seals of the day were not airtight. They were kept lubricated with sperm whale oil which helped, but they still leaked down over time. There were probably some flasks that remained pressurized fora couple days and others that leaked down in hours.
  • A second problem was the maintenance of what at the time was a highly complex mechanism. Armorers (those who fix firearms for the military) were mostly blacksmiths at the time. This repeater called for the skills of a clock maker! As a result, the Austrian Arms began phasing the rifle out of their inventory just after 1800. They couldn’t keep it going, but civilians reacted differently! Gun makers began copying the mechanism and today there are far more Girardoni-type rifles than there are actual military Girardonis. But one Girardoni is the most famous rifle of all time — the repeating air rifle carried by Lewis & Clark on their expedition of 1803.
Lewis & Clark
  • For many years if was believed that the Lewis & Clark air rifle was a single-shot made by Isaiah Lukens. I have examined that airgun and even photographed it partially disassembled. But then Dr. Beeman found some missing diary pages from the Lewis & Clark Expedition that talk of a repeater and of a repair made to the hammer while in the field.Lo and behold, from forensic examination he discovered that he owned the exact rifle Lewis & Clark had carried! He donated it to the U.S. Army War College museum and it has been shown around the country ever since. This rifle kept the Indian tribes at bay as the small band of soldiers crossed the continent, because they were astounded at the “white man’s medicine.” They had never seen a repeating rifle! In fact, very few people ever had!
Service history
  • In service 1780–1815
  • Used by Austrian Empire
Production history
  • Designer Bartolomeo, Girardoni
  • Designed 1779 or 1780
  • No. built 1,300
Specifications
  • Mass 4.5 kg (9.9 lb)
  • Length 120 cm (3.9 ft)
  • Cartridge spherical balls
  • Caliber .46", 11.7 mm 146.3 grains (9.48 g), or .51", 13 mm, 201.49 grains (13.06 g)
  • Muzzle velocity about 500 fps (152 m/s), 117 ft lbs (159 J)
  • Feed system 20/21 round magazine or hopper
  • Sights Iron
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Re: Alternative Hunting Methods

Post by lrsrngr » Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:21 pm

Old School Springer Air Rifle

A great shooter that did well on small game but lacked the "knockdown" power of the .22.  Mass and velocity truly are evident when controlling rodents larger than a rat.  The Model 48 in .177 was also a great tool at 1100 FPS but it was noisy.
A great shooter that did well on small game but lacked the "knockdown" power of the .22. Mass and velocity truly are evident when controlling rodents larger than a rat. The Model 48 in .177 was also a great tool at 1100 FPS but it was noisy.
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The Model 48, however, had both the velocity, the mass and the diameter to get the job done on anything from squirrels to rabbits.
The Model 48, however, had both the velocity, the mass and the diameter to get the job done on anything from squirrels to rabbits.
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Re: Alternative Hunting Methods

Post by lrsrngr » Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:22 pm

Back and getting stronger than ever: Air Rifles, hunting rifles called PCPs or Pre-Charged Pneumatic Air Guns:

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Why did I buy two PCP (Pre-Charged Pneumatic) air rifles?
  • I like to shoot but ammo, when I can find it, is getting to be very expensive.
  • Ammunition for air rifles is affordable, the least expensive 30-06 ammo that I could find is over $1.00 a round ,whereas .357 Cal ammunition for my FX Impact M3 is $.18 a round for high end hollow point slugs.
  • My Benjamin Marauder .22 cal is even cheaper than my FX Impact M3 to shoot.
  • I can safely shoot an air rifle on my property.
  • In spite of all of my efforts to use other means, the area surrounding my house was overwhelmed with chipmunks and squirrels so, sadly, I needed to start resorting to shooting them. The Benjamin Marauder .22 cal is pretty much ideal for shooting rodents or any small game.
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  • With the shortages of ammo and the very real possibility that the ownership of at least some types of firearms could be in jeopardy I think that my FX Impact M3 could put some meat on my table if necessary.
  • The FX Impact M3 could reasonably kill a deer with a head shot at 70 yards. Where I live that’s not an unreasonable expectation.
  • I have access to a high pressure compressor that is suitable for filling the type of high pressure air tanks of the type needed to repeatedly fill a PCP air rifle.
  • Even at maximum power the report from my FX Impact M3 is not loud enough to disturb my neighbors.
  • I can shoot my Benjamin Marauder .22 cal in my son’s back yard in Riverside, CA.
  • An air rifle is a good weapon to teach my granddaughter the fundamentals of shooting.
  • I’m too old to take up archery, even a crossbow.
Thoughts on PCP air rifles;
  • Although air rifles have been around for a few hundred years they are not as capable as powder rifles at longer ranges nor are they as hard hitting.
  • An air rifle would be only marginal, at best, for any self-defense use.
  • High end air rifles are at least as expensive as powder rifles.
  • Air rifles have seals that eventually need to be replaced so one is well advised to learn how to maintain his air rifle and keep the needed parts on hand.
  • High pressure air is dangerous and the equipment necessary to produce it is expensive and/or labor intensive.
  • Air rifles are currently evolving and are closing the gap with powder rifles due, I think, to the fact that a person can own and use an air rifle even in California but that may not last. In England the power of an air rifle is limited to 12 ft/lbs. My FX Impact M3 is rated, somewhat optimistically, at a maximum of 156 ft/lbs. but that may not last. Even an administration that thinks that a 9mm pistol can blow a person’s lungs out of their body will get around to regulating air rifles sooner or later if only because they look so futuristic.
Which air rifle would I recommend?
  • The two that I mention above are worth your consideration but new and better air rifles are coming out every year.
  • I like the fact that both of my air rifles have magazines that allow me to shoot multiple times before reloading.
  • I like the sidelever on my FX better than the bolt action on the Benjamin.
  • There are some very nice combos available with scopes, suppressors and other options.
  • I’d say that if you don’t see anything that meets your needs do some research, watch some YouTube videos on the subject, read some reviews, wait until the air rifle of your dreams becomes available but consider the possibility of future restrictions on weapons of all kinds and their impact on you, if any.
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Re: Alternative Hunting Methods

Post by lrsrngr » Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:26 pm

Benjamin Maurader

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From its inception, the Benjamin® Marauder PCP (Pre-Charged Pneumatic) rifle has been an icon in the hunting community. This air rifle features a shrouded barrel, integrated sound suppression, a 10-round magazine, and Picatinny Breech. The synthetic Marauder has an all-weather stock with an adjustable raised comb cheek-piece and reversible bolt handle. The Marauder launches .177-caliber pellets up to 1100 fps, .22-caliber pellets up to 1000 fps and, .25-caliber pellets up to 900 fps. See why the Benjamin Marauder has become a modern classic in the world of airgunning.
  • Pre Charged Pneumatic air rifle with fast, accurate and reliable pellet delivery
  • All-weather synthetic stock with adjustable raised comb cheek-piece and reversible bolt handle
  • Shrouded barrel with integrated sound suppression delivers superior accuracy and velocities up to 1100 fps
  • 10-round (.177 and .22) and 8-round (.25) auto-indexing magazine
  • 5 year warranty
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FX M3 9MM (.35") https://fxairguns.com/rifles/the-impact-m3/
  • Cocking System: Right hand positioned sidelever with an ambidextrous mount for left-handed shooters.
  • Magazine Capacity: 18 Shot
  • Barrel Length: 800mm or 31.5"
  • Shots: Up to 45/charge
  • Fill Pressure (max): 250 bar (3625 psi)
  • Optics: Picatinny rail with 20 MOA
  • Muzzle: Shroud with additional "Moderator"
  • Pressure Gauge: Airtube, 1st Regulator, 2nd Regulator
  • Trigger: Adjustable for reach, height and angle
  • Energy: 9,00 (.35: up to 211 J – 156 ft/lbs
  • Air Capacity: 580cc
  • Air Cylinder: Carbon fiber wrapped air tank
  • Length: 1120mm – 44″
  • Weight: 3.35kg – 7.35 lbs
  • Charging: Foster Quick Disconnect
  • More Features: Dual AMP Regulators – Externally Adjustable; Quick Tune System (micro and macro adjustment of hammerspring tension); Valve adjuster (valveflow tuning); Interchangable Caliber System; Multiple Accessory rails (picatinny) sides and bottom; Accessory spot to mount angled pressure gauge
  • Plenum: Power Plenum 720 (72cc Volume) *not available on sub 12ft versions
  • FX Brand Pellets: 9.07 (.35) 5,250 grams (81,00 grains)
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