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Frog,
You can look up the stats on the internet. CCW's are issued in Calif. It is public information, due to a lawsuit brought by ABC. There is a breakdown of every dept and how many permits they issue. It depends where you live. You must first apply to your local Dept or sheriff, if in unincorporated. Each dept is different and the chief or Sheriff sets the policy. We do have jurisdictions in CA that issue quite a few permits. You then contact the dept and apply. Depending on their policy, one may or may not qualify. Sheriff Corona in OC was issuing many permits. Due to his problems he has stepped down and the acting Sheriff is changing his policy and not issuing permits to the same degree. LA county and city issue very few permits.

Hence, do a little research and don't listen to all the crap people keep shouting. I know many people with permits. We have wheeled together and I would be happy to give you some more details. I will be at B FEST. If you have other questions, feel free to ask. I have actually helped some people aquire ccw's. I remember when you got hit with the jack, hope it didn't leave a mark.

Regards, SSC

Lota good info here. As far as home defense goes, I've always had a baseball bat within easy reach. Of course, the butt of a shotgun works just as well.

Frogeye KI6LHP wrote:

ssc wrote: CCW's are issued in CA. They are city and/or county issued. You don't always need to have clout.

Regards, SSC

Clout or your life has been threatened already. But I've been told that it's almost impossible for Joe public to go and get the CCW. What's the real story?

The real story is that it depends on the area where you live and your apparent need to carry a concealed firearm.

In the greater southern California area, especially LA and similar jurisdictions, you are about as SOL as it gets. Even in LA County, in some of the more "enlightened" areas, your chances improve, but you still need a valid reason to carry. San Diego, where I believe you live, is still OK, or sort of OK.

Unlike most states, California is not a "must issue" jurisdiction, meaning it is up to the local law enforcement chief to grant you the permit. Generaly, the more rural it gets, (in California)the better your odds are to get a CCW. Without getting into politics, you will generally find that the more liberal the jurisdiction, the less your chances are of getting a permit.

Tip: don't try in San Francisco.

Here is some good info, with links.
http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/faq.html

Regards, SSC

What about armed security guards? Do they get a CCW? Do they need to remove their firearm and store/transport it by the law when off duty, going to and from work?

big dave wrote:What about armed security guards? Do they get a CCW? Do they need to remove their firearm and store/transport it by the law when off duty, going to and from work?

Dave:
I'm now employed by a security company and while they don't have any armed posts in Ca., they have numerous armed positions on the east coast where they are based. I can't speak for other companies as this is my first experience in the security industry. The laws governing security personell vs. sworn officers are very different. This organization provides in-house training for armed individuals. You are then licensed thru the state's jurisdiction and must conform to the qualification and re-certification requirements. This is not a CCW. You are only allowed to use the company provided weapon. It is issued at the begining of each shift and returned at the end. They have VERY strict rules concerning the use of lethal force and the manner in which the firearm is visibly displayed. As far as my personal weapons, I am fortunate in that regard because I have no children in the home. My weapons are loaded and positioned for easy access. I must confess that I do not go to a range enough and am not trained in surprise situations as was very intelligently stated in a previous post. That having been said, I still believe that in the event of a home invasion I want to be able to do the best I can to defend my life.

My $0.02

A couple thoughts/considerations that are not necessarily directly linked.

Requiring an extra moment or two to get your weapon of choice out of a safe can be considered a good thing. Especially when you have children in the house. If you don't think so... ask your wife set your alarm to go of in the middle of the night without telling you which night and what time. How long does it take you to get your bearings and feel orientated? Would you want a gun in your hand during that time... especially when you have kids in the house? What I do recommend is to have your weapon/light/ammo all together so you can grab one "thing" rather than having to collect items from different places.


Personal protection in your home goes way beyond just having a loaded weapon. You need a plan... correction... your family needs a plan. A plan that you all know and practice and can trust will be followed. Where is your bedroom in the house? Your kids? When something goes "boom" in the middle of the night where will your kids be? Are you sure they will be in their room(s)?How much can your wife handle (I don't mean that in a sexist way)? When you tell her to do something will she do it or ask why? And yes... if you are taking charge of the home defense then you are taking charge. Let's assume an intruder has entered your house... you now have a wife and three kids to protect, or just three kids? Are they in one location or two or three or four? That will spread your "protection" very thin. It will get very busy very quickly and you will have a very difficult time keeping track of where people are in your house. So you need a family plan. If the kids are too young to follow such a plan... well... you need to make a plan around that fact and your plan will be that much more complicated.


If you are thinking a single weapon for home defense... I prefer a shotgun. But... one is not really enough now is it?

traveltoad wrote:My $0.02

A couple thoughts/considerations that are not necessarily directly linked.

Requiring an extra moment or two to get your weapon of choice out of a safe can be considered a good thing. Especially when you have children in the house. If you don't think so... ask your wife set your alarm to go of in the middle of the night without telling you which night and what time. How long does it take you to get your bearings and feel orientated? Would you want a gun in your hand during that time... especially when you have kids in the house? What I do recommend is to have your weapon/light/ammo all together so you can grab one "thing" rather than having to collect items from different places.


Personal protection in your home goes way beyond just having a loaded weapon. You need a plan... correction... your family needs a plan. A plan that you all know and practice and can trust will be followed. Where is your bedroom in the house? Your kids? When something goes "boom" in the middle of the night where will your kids be? Are you sure they will be in their room(s)?How much can your wife handle (I don't mean that in a sexist way)? When you tell her to do something will she do it or ask why? And yes... if you are taking charge of the home defense then you are taking charge. Let's assume an intruder has entered your house... you now have a wife and three kids to protect, or just three kids? Are they in one location or two or three or four? That will spread your "protection" very thin. It will get very busy very quickly and you will have a very difficult time keeping track of where people are in your house. So you need a family plan. If the kids are too young to follow such a plan... well... you need to make a plan around that fact and your plan will be that much more complicated.


If you are thinking a single weapon for home defense... I prefer a shotgun. But... one is not really enough now is it?

The variables being so infinite in the situation you have described, it seems almost irrational to think one could actually plan for such an occurrence? We have a plan for an earthquake and a fire but an intruder, nada? I'd like to hear from those that have kids and have this "plan" thought out. Your point about the wife and or kids and the "panic mode" is very real, I live with an "instant panic spouse". Ironically, if someone was seriously injured she would be totally capable of rendering life saving assistance. Go figure.

This is what I use at home. The kids even play with it somtimes, when the gun is not in it, and they have never gotten in. It works good.
As for CA gun Law..... Im moving.

http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Mu ... oduct.html

hawkeye wrote:This is what I use at home. The kids even play with it somtimes and they have never gotten in to it. It works good. As for CA gun Law.... Im moving .

http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Mu ... oduct.html

I really hope your gun safe is empty when you let the "kids play with it".