2008, May 31st --- Cleghorn & 2n17X ---So. Cali

[big dave]

Im so happy ill be able to make this run. I have the entire family in Shasta Lake while i renovate a rental house we own with a cousin (in-law). We are heading home next week and ill be able to work on my torsion bars and make the run on the 31st Ill know if im camping after we get home from Shasta Lake, sorry for the wait.

[BoBoNel]

Im so happy ill be able to make this run. I have the entire family in Shasta Lake while i renovate a rental house we own with a cousin (in-law). We are heading home next week and ill be able to work on my torsion bars and make the run on the 31st Ill know if im camping after we get home from Shasta Lake, sorry for the wait.

yeahhhhhhhhh..........glad you can make it david!

[jeshua]

Hey bobo, would love to do this with you but I have somethings I have to do late morning, soonest I could get out of town would be 12:30 - 1:00 I might be able to meet up with you guys for 2N17X but I will have to play it by ear.

To let you know one of the days for Kitty Trip II is the 31.

[ChasH3]

I was out at Cleghorn over this past weekend... Here's a short video of one part of the trail.... Fun times...

[toms]

Did everone else go around the corner the same way? Did anyone make it look easy? Any video of another vehicle making the turn?

[Hardluck]

Did everone else go around the corner the same way? Did anyone make it look easy? Any video of another vehicle making the turn?

Here you go Tom. When I was last there, I went more outside/in and barely lifted my rear wheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWhvlOMyHq0

[McRover]

Did everone else go around the corner the same way? Did anyone make it look easy? Any video of another vehicle making the turn?

i dont have any viedo but you can go around that corner to the far left and not lift a tire. the other way might be more fun though

[toms]

Outstanding! Can I use your video and ChasH3's video in my class?

This is an excellent demonstration of wheel cheat. Wheel cheat is what I call the fact that on a turn the rear wheels take a shorter line to the outside and "cheats" the corner. You have experienced this pulling out of a driveway and making a right hand turn. The front wheels clear the curb but the back wheels go over it.

Here is the cool part, related to the video, where we can use wheel cheat to explain what is going on. The front wheel placement was too close and slightly up the slope of the bank on the right. But it was ok for the front and the vehicle stayed reasonable level and straddled the rut in the road. However the right hand turn caused the right rear wheel to cheat the line and it cut the bank anywhere from 1.5 feet to 3 feet higher which was not a good line resulting in a very unstable situation. Going wide solved the issue.

Always drive to your back wheels!

[Hardluck]

Outstanding! Can I use your video and ChasH3's video in my class?

Sure, just give credit to my spotter, Cowboy4x4 who is a member here and my taking your basic 4x4 class.

[Arkarch]

Outstanding! Can I use your video and ChasH3's video in my class?

This is an excellent demonstration of wheel cheat. Wheel cheat is what I call the fact that on a turn the rear wheels take a shorter line to the outside and "cheats" the corner. You have experienced this pulling out of a driveway and making a right hand turn. The front wheels clear the curb but the back wheels go over it.

Here is the cool part, related to the video, where we can use wheel cheat to explain what is going on. The front wheel placement was too close and slightly up the slope of the bank on the right. But it was ok for the front and the vehicle stayed reasonable level and straddled the rut in the road. However the right hand turn caused the right rear wheel to cheat the line and it cut the bank anywhere from 1.5 feet to 3 feet higher which was not a good line resulting in a very unstable situation. Going wide solved the issue.

Always drive to your back wheels!

Good explanation - thank-you.